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because i think that the analogy i made in terms of china, everybody is mad at china for selling our movies and music, but yet for an individual, you don't have that kind of right. you own the picture, you took it. >> intellectual property. >> facebook owns instagram. do you think this was a shocker? >> i know those guys, they're really intelligent, they typically try to do things the right way and this one apparently got a little away from them. >> we were talking for a long time, we have been talking for a lock time about retailers going out of business bought of dot comes. what's new here? >> the share of retail done by the online players just keeps expanding in the key categories. basically everything other than what you consume, grocery and drug, is the online guys are getting more and more share. the retail pie is only so big. online guys extend their share of the pie, the part left for the physical guys, it shrinks and they've got such high fixed cost structures that they can't survive that. and so, the logical implication for a lot of these really historically successful reta
because i think that the analogy i made in terms of china, everybody is mad at china for selling our movies and music, but yet for an individual, you don't have that kind of right. you own the picture, you took it. >> intellectual property. >> facebook owns instagram. do you think this was a shocker? >> i know those guys, they're really intelligent, they typically try to do things the right way and this one apparently got a little away from them. >> we were talking for a...
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so you have china engineering a soft landing and starting to recover. you have europe away from the brink. greece got upgraded today. who would have thought it. that is what the market is looking at. saying okay. it is not going to be the worst kcase sharcenario, but you coul extend the middle class tax cuts and be done with it. it is in a recession. >> and i think the market would not like that very much. everybody is expecting that you get the middle class tax cuts done. >> and if you can get china and europe doing better. it is hard to be terribly bearish on the u.s. >> y are going to stay with our politico expert. this is a rally that has surprised experts. it hasn't been that easy to be optimistic. >> it is. i think you have to be cautious here. the probability that this could fall apart is very, very real. >> so, you have to be careful up at these levels as a trader. i have low exposure up here. i have protection. that is how you have to play this market. stay with us please. >> yesterday it looked like washington was inching towards a deal. but t
so you have china engineering a soft landing and starting to recover. you have europe away from the brink. greece got upgraded today. who would have thought it. that is what the market is looking at. saying okay. it is not going to be the worst kcase sharcenario, but you coul extend the middle class tax cuts and be done with it. it is in a recession. >> and i think the market would not like that very much. everybody is expecting that you get the middle class tax cuts done. >> and if...
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>> what you heard out of china, a government official in china said last month, he was quoted until saying, if we continue bi bailing these companies out in china, it's giving a patient poison to quench their thirst. you had a bailout of sun tech, a bailout of another chinese company and you've had multiple bailouts since then. you have massive oversupply in this market. you need companies to go out of business. what china is doing, they are coming in and bachling them out. thus this capacity that needs to be reduced is continuing to grow. so, we think capacity in china is going to row. you have much more supply than the demand. we continue to see price pressure. >> gordon, one of your competitors, i think tend of november, has a $50 price target on the stock. mentioned their cash flow. i'm not asking you to talk about their call but can you talk about their cash flow? do they have a healthy situation? >> that's a good point. where the projects they have, they will have the cash. but once the projects are over, if you look at first solar's earnings over the past four quarters, quarters whe
>> what you heard out of china, a government official in china said last month, he was quoted until saying, if we continue bi bailing these companies out in china, it's giving a patient poison to quench their thirst. you had a bailout of sun tech, a bailout of another chinese company and you've had multiple bailouts since then. you have massive oversupply in this market. you need companies to go out of business. what china is doing, they are coming in and bachling them out. thus this...
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the market are trying to build in higher interest rates, growth in china, europe has itself under control in america is about to. they are the leaders right now. liz: are we at $90?f course thet session. >> we are right there, but i will stick with my gun and say what we said last year. i am a buyer at 85, that is supply and demand thing. with the market the way we are at the end of the year, low volume tends to get in the way. i think financials getting spiked over the year, more of a rally tomorrow but i will stick with my gun, don't think you'll miss the move if you don't get in here at the dollars going forward. i am a buyer at 85, a seller at 90. liz: more than $0.50 away. when we started we were $0.03 away. >> it is a lot easier than it looks, good luck selling $90. liz: $89.51 at the moment. thanks to everybody on the floor show. we'll watch the market so carefully but when you pick apart individual stories the one that has captured the attention of this nation today in a very big way is the facebook instagram story. dollar signs dancing is now turned blurry after a massive pr miss
the market are trying to build in higher interest rates, growth in china, europe has itself under control in america is about to. they are the leaders right now. liz: are we at $90?f course thet session. >> we are right there, but i will stick with my gun and say what we said last year. i am a buyer at 85, that is supply and demand thing. with the market the way we are at the end of the year, low volume tends to get in the way. i think financials getting spiked over the year, more of a...
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they're looking to give countries like china and russ a way out of enfoing theanctions. right now the world is prettynited against ira if tngs chge down the road they don't want to be on record saying they have a bomb program. they would rather give this excuse to countries that may want it oppose us on further imposition of sanctions. melissa: michael, thanks for coming on the show. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> more breaking news on knight cam tall. adam shapiro with the latest on that. adam? hey, adam. melissa: adam turning the channel on us. we'll go back to him when we have the news. turning natural gas to liquid gold? a brand new plan to turn our surplus of natural gas into clean-burning diesel. details on that breakthrough ming u next. >>> an urban success story. irving, texas, makes it rain while other cities are going broke the mayor is here to share what they are doing right. she also has some advice for the federal government. clearly they need it. i can't wait for this. "piles of money" and good sense coming up. ♪ . melissa: a now for multibillion-dollar be
they're looking to give countries like china and russ a way out of enfoing theanctions. right now the world is prettynited against ira if tngs chge down the road they don't want to be on record saying they have a bomb program. they would rather give this excuse to countries that may want it oppose us on further imposition of sanctions. melissa: michael, thanks for coming on the show. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> more breaking news on knight cam tall. adam shapiro with the latest on...
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i think growth in china's accelera accelerating. the stock market might be the most undervalued in the world. the stock market entirely could be under valued. how many short sellers told you to do the opposite and sell that market? after the steam roller it's been of late, what exactly are the short sellers saying now? i don't know, i'm not hearing them clearly. i'm not listening. i'm not, no, i'm not hearing. europe and china both were supposed to slip into oblivion in 2012. that was the easiest story, everybody wrote it. turned out two fabulous places to invest. how about this housing market? most common worry, the dreaded shadow inventory. oh, the shadow inventory. >> the house of pain. >> so many banks and so many homes said the books could never recover. wasn't that the narrative? now, where are we? the shadow inventory turned out. the banks that were thought to be a ton of shadow inventory in the books, i hope they have some because they've been the hottest stocks around. especially bank of america, up more than 100% for the y
i think growth in china's accelera accelerating. the stock market might be the most undervalued in the world. the stock market entirely could be under valued. how many short sellers told you to do the opposite and sell that market? after the steam roller it's been of late, what exactly are the short sellers saying now? i don't know, i'm not hearing them clearly. i'm not listening. i'm not, no, i'm not hearing. europe and china both were supposed to slip into oblivion in 2012. that was the...
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good thing because an employee owned company is much less likely to move away to set up operations in china for example is the jobs here for you in companies if the company does better the people who work there are benefits so there's an incentive to work harder and actually see a result from that. so what's the number for actual we'll have to look there for a few work. and know how and i don't know how many people we don't know so hundreds there are hundreds of these businesses very successful businesses. and incredible range of kinds of work. but i don't know what the total number is i've visited i think it's called peninsula engineering in madison this and you need it if you just missed that thank you and and union cabin interviewed people from both those organizations there's some really extraordinary stories out there melissa what are you what are your favorite stories that are told in this movie. well of course it was wonderful to visit longer gone. to see a place that's been in operation for fifty sixty years and so many people it was a very convincing example that we could organize.
good thing because an employee owned company is much less likely to move away to set up operations in china for example is the jobs here for you in companies if the company does better the people who work there are benefits so there's an incentive to work harder and actually see a result from that. so what's the number for actual we'll have to look there for a few work. and know how and i don't know how many people we don't know so hundreds there are hundreds of these businesses very successful...
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china coming back. gm rationalizing europe. >> gm europe, when you say a couple quarters behind ford, are you saying progress in the quarterly financials? >> committed to rationalizing europe. >> again, a larger theme of excess capitalization at u.s. corporations, and the fact that so much money is sitting on balance sheets doing nothing. >> did you read oracle? how much money do they have. they bought back 10 billion worth of stock. these companies, you read through their stories, and you say, not only did they not extend themselves during this downturn, they conserved a lot of cash. by the way, humans did, too, in america. have you seen the numbers that the federal reserve put out last night about how much money is being -- how little debt is being taken down by citizens. we're back to levels of the '90s. federal household debt service came out last night. the percentage of disposable income is 14%, down to 10%. that's 1994 levels. >> that's a big part of morgan stanley's call on citi today. from over
china coming back. gm rationalizing europe. >> gm europe, when you say a couple quarters behind ford, are you saying progress in the quarterly financials? >> committed to rationalizing europe. >> again, a larger theme of excess capitalization at u.s. corporations, and the fact that so much money is sitting on balance sheets doing nothing. >> did you read oracle? how much money do they have. they bought back 10 billion worth of stock. these companies, you read through...
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they're number three behind canada and china, about $460 billion a year. so lot of levers we can use here. of that $460 billion, a huge amount is tourism. is it really worth them sort of gaining this venal corrupt image with this violence. do they want o pay the millions and millions, possibly hundreds of millions in lost tourism just so they can do whatever it is that the corrupt local government is doing to this? >> steve: one of the things is this guy is being charged with is he brought into the country of mexico a gun used by the military, ammunition used by the military as well. you know what? that is flat out not true. this is a case that is so easy to dismiss and yet, we're five days away from christmas and that guy is sitting down there. >> brian: it takes some high ranking person in the state department to pick up the phone and say, get him out of there. >> steve: how about the president? they've got cable in the white house. they're watching fox news channel. that would be great for that family if he -- >> brian: even they get satellite dish. eve
they're number three behind canada and china, about $460 billion a year. so lot of levers we can use here. of that $460 billion, a huge amount is tourism. is it really worth them sort of gaining this venal corrupt image with this violence. do they want o pay the millions and millions, possibly hundreds of millions in lost tourism just so they can do whatever it is that the corrupt local government is doing to this? >> steve: one of the things is this guy is being charged with is he...
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we face the same issues with a competitive ship to economic power to china and the like. we have to educate our children better. we're doing the things. i think the issues we take on entitlement reform and education reform, these are the things that the u.s. congress and administration have to tackle in the next year on or so. >> what about europe? will the euro zone up stick together and will the uk start part of the union? david cameron said in the last couple of days there may need fob a referendum on that. >> the euro zone will stick together. they made a decision through this year. they made a decision to keep themselves together, and britain be want to be a fully fledged member of the european union and not of the euro zone. we don't have to merge our kurn stee, we don't have to american our budget policies, we don't have to do all the things they need to do to make their currency work. by the way, alexander hamilton taught us all you need to do to make single currency work a couple years ago. >> here's a point of view from the upcoming issue of the new york magazin
we face the same issues with a competitive ship to economic power to china and the like. we have to educate our children better. we're doing the things. i think the issues we take on entitlement reform and education reform, these are the things that the u.s. congress and administration have to tackle in the next year on or so. >> what about europe? will the euro zone up stick together and will the uk start part of the union? david cameron said in the last couple of days there may need fob...